Boost Enthusiazm-Don't Kill It

Why or Why Not?

Published on February 12, 2005 By Lynx's Den In WinCustomize Talk

There have been alot of issues, brought up (continuosly), about certain aspects of the site (i know i have exspressed some myself).... Fair, unfair,, submissions, exception,rejection, abuse, ect..... And no matter what your stand or opinions are regarding these matters/issues, the bottom line is, it is happening, and everyone knows it. So you can hate me for this or not.... But either way, i have no intention what-so-ever to step on anyone's toes, or offend anyone, its just my opinion, and with the thought that bringing some of these issues to light, in a more civil manner. Maybe.... Just maybe, we can work together and get this thing fixed to the saticfation of everyone (always good to dream), but there is always hope! But take it as you want to.... (and excuse my possible spelling, I'm not perfect), Yet!!! LOL

Why- I find it a little irronic that when an issue is brought up, one of the things you will get as a responce is how great this site is, how there is alot more good here, more this and more that.... I think you have to consider some of the aspects of the site... #1, who is it run by (Basicly Stardock), #2 What are the main features of the site (Stardock Product), not to mention there aren't a whole lot of companies that put out the type of product Stardock does (Their Advantage).... And all the other sites that basicly have been considered as lesser (and some are), most if not all of their features are based around Stardock product. Example To Ponder: I (and i think most will agree), that sites like Deviantart/SkinBase, ect., have more freedom when it comes to their submission policy, and their rating system/submission exception, ect., is not souly based on the sites Admin's, but actually by its visitor's, subscriber's, & users, something WC may consider more of.... Does this make DeviantArt/SkinBase better or worse. It is easy for individuals to make a comment like that, when their reputation, time & efforts are not being trampled on (or considered to be), for whatever reasons....

Why Not- another responce that seems to be regular, when issues are expressed, is how issues should be brought up privately.... That an Admin should be emailed to try and resolve the problem.... This can send one message to the prospective readers, Hiding the problem/issue.... People get upset, when things are not the way they may think they should be (fair or unfair, whats right or wrong), and issues will be expressed regardless of who likes it or not. Does this mean, the individual expressing their dismay, has to pay for it, by either having there submission's denied, ratings trashed or abused by users who got offend.... "Open Your Mouth, And Pay The Price" Or "keep Your Mouth Shut And Continue To Feel Screwed and unappreciated" You do the math.... Another thing is how it seems to be ok for one individual to express there opinions/issues, but another has their opinion/issue obscured and critasized by the answering (offended) parties through-out their post.... Not to mention Admin's don't get to every email (or may choose not too, who knows), i know this by experience, i have emailed quite a few times with no responce what-so-ever, be it questions, help, or whatnot.... I know there is alot to concider for Admin's.... don't get me wrong, they have alot of things to tend too. But if your going to request individuals to take certain steps or actions, you should stand by your request...

Why- The good old "I'm not posting here anymore", "I'm Leaving".... and the responces mostly heard, "Fine, Sorry To See You Go" or "Issues Are No Reason To Leave" ( i know, been there a couple times myself, LOL).... Again, easy for someone to make comments like that, when your rep, work, & efforts are not being trampled on (or considered so).... Consider this.... Individuals take alot of pride in their time and efforts, and when all they see is negative, then feelings play a big part in decision making, be it right or wrong.... Enthusiazm is based on good responces (more good responces, more will want to be done).... and in turn causes the individual to thrive to be better, and in most cases (like myself), can handle constructive critisizm, and learn from bad critisizm instead of getting offended.... would you rather stay in a place that shows you to be worthy, or a place that shows you to be nothing (appreciated or a lack there of).... Or when you see individual getting more out of the site, like 3,4,5 feature posts every 2 weeks, on the feature page for 3,4, days at a time (don't think thats considered a daily shot anymore....LOL), and others lucky if they get one, and lucky to see it up for 24 hours.... Remember action speaks louder than words.... If your going to create a site that its base is compitition, which anyway you slice it, thats what this site is, it should be run fairly (for everyone), and anyone who happens to be afraid of a little compitition, shouldn't be here, if their main focus is to trash the efforts of potential compitition.... we focus more on what we see, not on what we hear.... Boost the enthusiazm, don't destroy it....

Bottom line: I think we all need to sit back, take a deep breath, and start making things better.... There will always be issues (what place doesn't have them), but i think together, we could start to make things a little better around here... Some of the issues aren't really that hard to fix (to kill the fire, get rid of the problem), if people are willing to do so.... For the site leaders, make things a little more fair for everyone, be it ratings, submission or whatnot (not your personal prefrence) let the general public deside, no one can tell or has some super-natrual power that tells them what people like and what they don't.... alot of novices, ametures, (or whatever) and even individuals just getting into the field, would like to be as good as the vets someday (otherwise they wouldn't be here).... But give them the opportunity, make us all want to be here, and contribute to the best of our abilities (and we will get better), and inturn give this site even more advantages then it may already have.... For the regs, and vets, share your knowledge, give constructive critisizm (all around), assist in making others better , you may not realize it, but the rewards will last for years to come.... Ever watch your kids do something, where you said or thought "I tought Them that" remember how that felt, and remember everyone has feelings, that can be steped on, think before you act (think how you would feel in the particular situations)... Ok a little of subject, but i think you get my point.

Lets try and all get along, and make this site something we all can be proud of (without all of us, this site wouldn't be much), instead of trashing each other for what they say or do.... feels like a battleground around here, all of us bunched in our little groups and taking shots at each other.... Thought this was a community!!! Like i said its all up to us, if we are willing to bend a little.... Boost The Enthusiazm, Don't Kill It!
Then again,(wonder who i'm going to pissoff next), i may be considered as talking outta my butt, and all this just fell on def ears, guess i'll know by the responces HUH? (not ready to give up on this place just yet....LOL) lets get over this hump already.....LOL feels like a pot-hole in the road, that no one wants to fix.... I got a shovel and asfault anyone want to help?.....

Comments (Page 3)

WOM

on Feb 13, 2005

HUM

joeKnowledge

on Feb 13, 2005

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Boss019

on Feb 13, 2005

First of Lynx....backing??? I can't even skin a friggin rainy...I don't know a soul on here personally and if I get a feature, maybe it's because what???? someone likes it?? I sure as hell don't have any kind of clout around here...been here less than 6 mos and all I can do at the moment is make screenshots....what backing are u talkin about??
As for accepting sincere thanks for some legit assistance I provided.., and throwing it back in her face, I'm not sure what I threw except honest opinions about how I see things run and how some of the people act like they own the place, act like whining babies when they don't get their way, and in general seem to feel that everybody is out to get them...and I have not a clue what the illness thing is about. Damn, grow up, do what you do artistically and put it out there...it will stand on it's own regardless..

Lantec

on Feb 13, 2005

Thanks Joe...

~Angelic DestinE

on Feb 13, 2005

OMG J, Mary and Joseph on the Cross. Good Grief Charlie Brown and Good Night Nurse. I don't like to curse on public family boards so I'll just say #$@# and more #$@#, you get the point.

Ok, first off. Goober don't leave. A friend kindly pointed out to me earlier that to leave, means to admit defeat and we are not the Redcoats.

If not for the Norma Rae's, Jimmy Hoffa's (I know, bad example), and Ralph Nader's of the world, the voice of the "people" would never be heard and let's not forget that that "voice" is comprised of the Citizens who, according to the "About Site" page, comprise 99% of WinCustomize. That's #1. My point: don't leave. You paid for a subscription. There ARE some very kind people out there in this community and we WILL eventually find one another as we already seem to have somewhat gathered about.

Lynx - I'm so sorry I forgot you were the author of this post and kept referring to you as "the author." That's what I get for typing furiously without scrolling up.

I appreciate the fact that you read every one of my replies and it's obvious you read line by line because you commented on things that others perhaps missed in passing.

Boss - Ok I'm not gonna get in the middle of an argument between two people I happen to like here so... I'll just clarify what Lynx was saying. In one of my earlier political novels in this thread I happened to sidetrack and reveal that I am a current cancer patient, not because I was playing Poor Me, but because I wanted my favorite skinners and artists here to know how very much I appreciate their work, and how being a part of this place actually motivated me to agree to chemo and push for a full remission which is my goal and it will happen. I don't have much of a life outside of my writing (yes I am an author) and my four cats. The net IS my life so when something gets fouled up around here I get upset. But anywho, I think Lynx was upset by the comment you made of the political grandstanding I'd made against the elitist attitude we've all recently come across on the site. Lynx was defending me but I wasn't upset by your comment as you're a great supporter of mine and it's because of you that something of mine... a submission... was included in Screenshot of the Day. So I was thanking you for that.

Lynx and Boss please don't start a war over this. I'd feel horrible and for some crazy reason I need this place because the adrenaline really helps my mental outlook, which in turn fuels how I respond to the cancer. I'm Irish. I've always been a yeller and screamer and that isn't going to change about me. So, I'm choosing to leave my submissions up and let the chips fall where they may. I know I'll never be anything but a Citizen around here and I don't care. Qui-gon Jinn repeatedly defied the Jedi Council but he was still one of the greats even if he never had a seat on that council (forget that if you're not a Star Wars freak). I hang in here because I enjoy the experience despite the outbreak of WWIII over rank and privileges. So long as I can continue to voice my opinion without being exiled we're good to go.

Sleeping Dragon

on Feb 13, 2005

Jafo

on Feb 13, 2005

Qui-gon Jinn repeatedly defied the Jedi Council but he was still one of the greats even if he never had a seat on that council (forget that if you're not a Star Wars freak).

Pssst...don't quote me but I've heard told that StarWars was fiction....

"Luke....cough....gasp.....I am....wheeze....an asthmatic."

MadDeez

on Feb 13, 2005

StarWars was fiction? i'm glad i've never seen one of those films now. SpaceBalls was real, wasn't it?

Jafo

on Feb 13, 2005

Yes...Spaceballs was real....and so are Tribbles....

~Angelic DestinE

on Feb 14, 2005

See now you're just testing the waters to see if you can pick on me.

*hides behind Darth Maul*

gooberbean28

on Feb 14, 2005

Tribbles arent they from Star Trek? no? yes?I'm not a big Star wars fan dont know toomuch about star wars,lol Thank you Angel for your comment,I was just alittle upset,its been a bad week all around, and Angel you have brightened my spirit lets all get along and be friends God bless!

Lynx's Den

on Feb 14, 2005

LOL figures, why does this not surprise me

Boss, maybe you should grow-up, and get the facts straight before opening your mouth.... for your info, i do know very well and first hand about the illness, i assitsted my mother with her treatments for over 6 months, before i finally had to watch it put her to rest! And why is it when some individuals get rebutles, they always say it was just my opinion, but when other voice there opinions, they are considered the bad seeds, or cry babies, and get my own way????

just goes to show what people actually read, and what they understand.... For what the 4th time... Like i stated before, i have nothing to lose or gain

and again, when i was accused of a rip, i had all my work removed, from the server and started from scratch, so there sure wasn't any getting my way (if your refering to say download, submission, or ratings issues), involved.... so what possibly was the purpose of that statement

Thank you Angel for your defense

but if there is any (what you stated as war

) between boss and i, it would be something that would be beyond this thread, so no worries

gooberbean28

on Feb 14, 2005

I just have to speak up,Boss I've seen on two different threads you complaining about crybabies and people wanting it their way and their way now. Why do you continue to put people down when they express their feelings after seeing your comments on here and another thread "Everything will be Fine" thread .its sad! When people express themselves you come back with an attitude,like they are trying to cause trouble people are only expressing their veiwpoints they have that right!

gooberbean28

on Feb 14, 2005

Just want to say to all good luck and have fun skinning, no more posting on threads its just to stressing .Later all!

Lynx's Den

on Feb 14, 2005

Well put bro.... have you noticed he's got this its ok for me but no one else attitude, yeah see he makes a comment and its an opinion, but we make or express our opinions and we are trouble makers, and crybabies who think we own the site.... hmmmm lets see i'm a subscriber, i know Bean is a subscriber, i think that can constutute as us have some kind of say over the piece of the Pie!!!!

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